Who Will Win the Undecided Voters?...an article and poll by Newsvine writer helpmeunderstand1

Hi :)  If you have been in vicious debates I must have caught you on your good days. LOL. I don't think you are vicious at all. I've been singing your praises. I made a post on Lisa in CA's article "Lay Down Your Arms" #7 and when I went back to her site today and answered her question wanting to know how you swayed my opinion over to vote for Obama. Afterwards I discovered she had clipped this article. Tooo funny. Guess I should thank bgates for writing that McCain AARP article. *grin*

Thanks Bonnie - Have you seen the Invisible Viners Group. A friend is trying to start a group for new Viners that would allow us to get more exposure. Check it out.

Yes-finally. I just joined. I hope it will be more than politics. I'm sick of it all. Your comments above don't begin to describe the visceral and vile attacks on here and 98% is from the left. I don't see how the media portrays the right as badly as it does. They have blown so many minor incidents into major ones. Take a few ignorant rednecks, enhance their voices and make the whole crowd seem like they don't have the sense that God gave a Goldfish. I'm fed up with it-------can you tell?  I've tried to go on different pages to comment and virtually all I have been on are vicious and hateful.  I've set up my default page now to go to my home page instead of the front page now. It almost makes me want to go vote for John simply to root for the underdog. I hope it doesn't turn the vote back that way for him for other  generally conservative people like me who have chosen Obama this year. It's really upsetting to hear people rail conservatives as idiots. OK. Having said that to someone who actually has had conversations with me and knows I'm a reasonable person who doesn't normally have a temper, I feel much better. Thanks for the shoulder. LOL. Now I'll ask you a question I had. On groups, is there one moderator, or do various members take turns. Just wondering.  *sheepish GRIN* 

Bonnie - First, you need to remember Newsvine is a more liberal based blog site. If you were to go to a Fox blog you would get more conservative spin and a lot of vicious anti-left rhetoric. I have heard other conservatives complain about the Vine, but most know they are outnumbered here and I think enjoy being the conservative "devil's advocate" or from their perspective "voice of reason". Trust me, it will be difficult to find a blog that doesn't have some bias. You also need to separate out what is friendly banter between rivals and the truly hate-filled comments. You should probably try some of the other groups that are less political. I just joined a couple that are related more closely with my profession and I'm looking forward to some less cynical discussions. I'm sorry, but I don't know the answer to your moderator question. Hang in there. BTW, not all conservatives are idiots, just most of them (I hope you are smiling).

Bonnie,

As near as I can tell there is only one "true" moderator (group admin) at a time.  There may be a way to switch who that is (not sure), but I am pretty sure almost anything can be done by the Newsvine techies that created this site.  But there are often other group members, like Helpmeunderstand (Deputy IVH Admin), that help out by answering questions.

Re: Blog vitriol...

I am with you on that... trying to participate in that melee is totally aggravating... even reading some of that stuff wears me out.  However, as HMU said, if you know where to look there is plenty of vitriol from BOTH sides.

I started blogging on the Huffington Post, a liberal biased site, but I left because it was being swamped... and I mean REALLY swamped... with hateful rhetoric and people that had no interest whatsoever in having a thoughtful, respectful, polite discussion... I am happy to discuss politics, but a very high percentage of the people interested in that topic are NOT interested in a discussion.  Newsvine is a breath of fresh air... Not only are there more respectful thoughtful people here, there are many topics available for discussion (although nothing gets traffic like politics right now).  The Newsvine CoH also seems to be fairly effective at tempering hateful mindless rhetoric.  If you think Newsvine has too much of that stuff, don't even think about looking at HuffPo.  Try joining some of the less political groups on Newsvine... Among others, I have joined Reigning Cats and Dogs... I happened to discover a link to another website there that was one of the funniest things I have ever seen... They say laughing is supposed to be good for our health, and I swear I added years to my life with that one...

Helpme-I'm gonna reach through this screen and smack the snot outta you. *GRIN* JK but you aready know that. LOL. I love the way you so lovingly referred me to a more conservative place where I could blog that had spin and rhetoric. You're a pill. LOL.  Actually, Sean Hannity has almost single handedly destroyed that network. I believe that was either him or his wife standing in that crowd yelling "Terrorist". Were it not for his show, I think the network might actually have a little more credence. I don't know why they allow it. I think he is as ignorant as that woman John McCain admonished.  I go to CNN for Glenn Beck, to Fox and watch Bill O and then change the network to make sure I don't hang around for Sean. What is your profession or area of expertise? Well, I talked to my therapist and she said I am just too hypersensitive to be in these liberal areas. I have decided that I am only going to concentrate on fairness in the media and moderation for the most part. I'm sure if you are tracking friends you'll run into some of my recent posts. I'll bump into ya soon!

MM-Familiar yes, and actually The Huffington Post and Daily Cos are luckily on the net. If they were in print I'd line my cat's litter pans with them.  The HP is at least starting to moderate itself a little better than it used to. The Cos got worse.  I still can't believe Obama spoke at their convention or dinner. Of course Hillary did too. Talk about pandering. That borders on guilt by association since they both felt it necessary to make a statement that just because they were speaking there didn't mean they agreed with their views. LOL.

So Helpme is the Deputy Adm. of IVH. HE HE We'll call him (?) Sherriff HELP!  I guess what I was asking was about people seeding articles as far as who does it-anyone in group or only one person--things like that.

HELP ME--You can answer that part. *SMILE*.

I'll have to check out some of the other groups. I'm a cat nut, so that might be a good thing. I tried to figure out how to find pets but couldn't. I'll hitchhike off of your page. :).You're right. I do need to laugh more. The bank ignored my fax to stop auto deducting my house payment for this month so I could catch up on a bunch of bills. They did it anyway and cost me $75 in overdrafts. I was pretty stressed when I made the above post.  I was having a "moment". ROFL.

Smilin' atcha both!

Bonnie,

I know you are wanting the Sheriff's answer on this one but I need to chime in on this one too...  The short answer is YES, anyone in the group can post seeds... HOWEVER!!!!!  They MUST contain significant writing by the IVG member... either in the summary or the comments.

There are a few things I didn't anticipate when I started this group that I will need to straighten out in an article that I hope to post in the next few days (I do need to find some time to do a few other things in my life)...

OMG... It is the Newsvine addiction intervention crew... Ahhh!!!   What are you doing???  What??? Get this straight jacket off of me... Aaaahhhhh!!!

Bonnie - I was assigned a few weeks ago to keep your blood boiling but also to keep an eye on your blood pressure. Even if you leave politics to us crazies, please drop in once in a while so I can here how you're doing, and maybe so I can mess with you a bit. I would miss that. Oh, and I should've figured you for a cat person. I'll email you something about what I do professionally. Can't let my secrets out on the Vine.

I KNEW you were undercover. LOL. Yep. I have three fur faces. Two that are 18 yrs old I inherited from my Mother. They are my blood pressure regulators after I get off of here.

Oh I'm lurking. I have to. What good is the tracker if I can't follow my friends around and spy on THEM too, hmmmmmmm?

besides.......hehehehe I live in Virginia... how bad do you wanna keep my vote, eh?

Did I ever tell you how much I love cats?

>^. .^<    meow....... *grin*

Thank you metonitoo, this is exactly what I'm looking for. You prove that it's not just about the economy. Issues like health care, veterans, and children are being put on the back shelf. Like you, I hope these issues are addressed in the last debate. I would love to give you my opinions, but I want to wait to hear from a few more Undecided lest I scare them off with my biases. I hope you will stay in the conversation.

While I am not undecided, I suggest you do the following to help in your decision:

1. Set priorities for your issues, then determine which candidate best reflect the view of your top priorities.

2. Look at each party's platform.  How does the party's idealogy (sp) compare to your beliefs.  There are issues that are not openly debated, but are ideologically embedded in the party's belief system (i.e,. stem cell research)

3. Keep in mind the next president will probably appoint up to 3 supreme court justices.  Based on what you believe the candidate stands for, will you feel comfortable in their choice.

4. Who do you feel will surround himself with the best and brightest advisors who will serve the candidate AND the country. Know that neither candidate can do it all alone.

5. Would you be able to comfortably defend your choice, if neccesary to friends, family, co-workers, and/or your children.

Hope this objective method of assessing your choice helps.

new at this trying not to post twice

Thanks for your helpful comments. Everyone loves a cookiemommy.

thanks cookie mommie, yes, i've done all those items on your list - yet-

i really want a Predident, like Kennedy was/ like Roosevelt= They asked me as a "Child" to save 'tin-cans' to send to Japan after WWII, Then asked me to study Science/Math to "Go To The Moon"...

Neither of these Candidates have asked for any U S Citizen/Tax-Payer/ Comsumer/Voter Participation in the solutions our nation must accomplish: i just posted an article here on NewsVine about what we should expect from msm on this, the 3rd and last Debate.

Thanks, it's how I try to approach most everything I do.  If it's important enough for me to consider, then it's important enough for me to make an informed decision.  I try to avoid the garbage in, garbage out phenomena.  In the bid whist card game, there's a saying, 'study long, study wrong'.  Well, I believe 'study wrong, suffer long'.

I could tell you were a flower child. I'll bet you still listen to the Beatles. Although I've certainly hung on to some of my idealism, a little vacation in Vietnam and my work have certainly grounded me in reality. I would just hope we still have a little bit more to contribute.

I think there are the Independents, especially the Libertarians, who don't like either candidate and are conflicted between voting for their candidate who won't win, the two main party candidates who they don't like, or not voting at all. Then there are those who like Obama but are pro life and are afraid of committing some kind of sin, or have a kid in the military and think McCain would be the more supportive. Then there all of those who want the person who can get us out of the economic mess but don't know who that is. Personally, after seeing how hateful and negative McCain/Palin have become, I think most of the undecided will go with Obama, if for nothing else, the lessor of two evils.

MM - I tried responding to your comment before the debate tonight but I kept getting error messages. Well, I'm back. Yes, I too hope the Undecideds recognize Obama's intelligence, skills, leadership and the fact that he has real positions and solutions to problems. No, they won't all work. And, yes it is not going to be an easy four years. But he is a realist and he has a plan.

HMU- I was getting all kinds of Newsvine server errors too.  In fact it stopped only a short time ago.

I just seeded a HuffPo article on the post election polls which look like they are favoring Obama.  I am not clipping it to the IVG, because it has none of my own writing in it.  But it seems pertinent to this article, so with your permission I will reference it in a comment here.

I've had to report errors twice today. They responded and also said the traffic during and after the debate is extremely heavy. On top of all of that, I don't know whether or not you have Windows, but as for me, Windows decided to do their Automatic Update around 9:15 tonight. My pc crawled to a standstill because I didn't know what was happening and kept clearing out my temp files and history trying to speed up my pc. LOL.   What is IVG?  I thought John did well tonight--don't smack me. Hasn't changed my mind. Just an opinion.

Hi Bonnie,

IVG is the Invisible Viners Group

One more thing Bonnie... I do have Windows, but I keep the AUTOMATIC update turned off.  I do updates manually, when it works for me.

Ya know, I HAD my automatic turned off, but for some reason, it was going crazy anyway. I turned my spyware off a while back because it was interfering with the vine for some reason. I don't know why Windows kept on like that, but the Icon appeared in the bottom right corner of my screen. When I clicked on it the message said they were ready to download and I told it to proceed and then the icon and everything just disappeared. It started running like crazy again, so I decided to do a manual update and it showed I needed all 5 items. When I told it to proceed, a popup kept telling me it failed to install. When I went to the settings and turned the automatic back on, everything started installing. It was crazy. Some gremlin was running around for sure.

Bonnie - Liberal conspiracy! Be careful or we'll shut down your refrigerator.

Better be nice! Actually that might be a good thing for me. LOL

MMMan-so you're an ARAMCO brat! My Stepbrother worked for them over in Saudi Arabia for a few years back in the 70's. The one here fabricated fiberglass buildings. They had to stay in a fenced compound when they weren't working. He said they hated Americans so much that he always lied and told them he was Canadian.  He was a design engineer.  The company is now called VFP (condensed from Virginia Fiberglass Products) and he has worked his way up. He is now the President/CEO. Imagine.

Helpme-did you find my link to Obama's speech he gave today here in town? MMMan Obama was here in town about a half mile from me. I couldn't go see him. If you want to hear his whole rally here's the link. It's about 40 min long.

http://www.wdbj7.com/